Apr 20, 2021 · Personally i find Void Dwelling Mega Corps to be superb and ALOT of fun. Yeah, it’s the not the only way to play void dwellers, though it’s the “optimal” build. I’ve done void dweller megacorp playthroughs and pure fanatic militarist builds. While they have a less fragile start, they just don’t compete with the tech rush late game. Shattered Ring, Scion, and Void Dwellers are just superior to the other origins. If you aren't using one of the OP origins then probably Remnants or Prosperous Unification makes the most sense as they're very solid for eco-booming. For traits, I'd stick with the meta build: Intelligent, Rapid Breeder, Nature Engineers, Deviants, and Unruly.Step 7. Your second tradition set is Expansion, which you need for its finisher that cuts the build cost of new Habs. Step 8. Your third tradition set is Diplomacy. You will use this to create a Trade Federation which will then make you have free CG's. Step 9. Focus on Research Habs for any new ones you build. That will be true for most of the ...Synthetic ascension comes late but a synthetic egalitarian meritocracy late game void dweller crushed production in terms of alloys with 1000-1500+ alloy production in the …Functional Architecture is a good civic for Void Dwellers. Base-level habitats can support about 13 pops before growth starts slowing down; that's about 2 housing districts, 2 resource districts, your capital building, and a couple other jobs. Once you can upgrade your habitats, you can transition all the housing to Luxury Housing buildings and ... On a separate note, Zombie-Megacorp is ridiculously fun as Void Dweller, from someone who rarely had the patience for Void Dweller's required slow start. It very much breaks the gap that allows for a more normal/'typical' start of early expansion, without getting in the way of the generally-tall style the build expects. General Build-MegacorpProgenitor Hive still busted, ascendant Clone Army and Rogue Servitor are still great. Techno Necro is still good, Feudal Teachers is a new S tier build of this patch. Hive void dwellers has potential but it’s inconsistent and kinda clunky. Trade builds are dead. In the midgame you would likely be able to trigger selfmodified event to get non-void dweller subspecie and start to use specialist droids. spudwalt • 3 mo. ago. Mostly you don't colonize planets with your Void Dweller species. Keep building habitats. There's a reason you start the game with that technology.Smaller more compact empire means easier to defend, one deathstacked fleet can defend the whole empire. If you play a trade based empire, this means no pirate and 100% trade revenue. Ah yes, it makes sense for void dwellers, less alloys spent on Starbases and fleets. He still can expand to met suitable trade partners, then release sectors as ... The pop growth can be offset by the pop growth from the many habitats you build. Eventually they run out of free jobs, and newly grown pops will automatically resettle to planets with vacant jobs. The habitability can be circumvented in various ways: Terraforming to gaia worlds. Either via the Baol, or via the World shaper ascension perk.Progenitor hivemind is the strongest build currently. Cordycepts can be pretty fun too, playing around with space fauna. You can also try Void Dweller hivemind, since that was newly introduced (hiveminds weren’t able to take the Void Dweller origin before 3.9). Ocean Paradise hivemind can also be pretty fun, with your huge starting world.Step 7. Your second tradition set is Expansion, which you need for its finisher that cuts the build cost of new Habs. Step 8. Your third tradition set is Diplomacy. You will use this to create a Trade Federation which will then make you have free CG's. Step 9. Focus on Research Habs for any new ones you build. That will be true for most of the ...Two scientists at level nine by 2250 To boost research. Another at 8 and one at 6 ( Lost a guy to avleviathan thats his replacement) Psionic for quick zerg. So far have wiped out 2 hive minds and a fanatical purifier. Zroni chain reinforced psionic vs genetic. Did discovery -> leader one -> psionics -> supremacy.Void dweller is in an odd place right now, you want to play tall by confining yourself to a small space with easily defendable chokepoints but at the same time your …Authoritarian gives precious influence for more habitats. Pacifist gives more stability (mitigating your amenity shortage needs), and reduce pop sprawl to offset your higher-than-average colony sprawl. Their edicts are also very good for raising stability, allowing you to avoid amenities in the early game.Void Dwellers −20% Habitat Build Cost +0.25 Building Slots from Non-Urban Habitat Districts +2 Habitat Max Districts +1 Jobs from Habitat Districts Can upgrade housing buildings on Habitats Species has Habitat Preference Species has the Void Dweller trait Start with the Orbital Habitats technology researchedVoid Dweller megacorp can basically scale forever. Almost all Stellaris builds rely on expanding your borders at the expense of your neighbors. Not so with void dwellers and especially not with megacorp void dwellers. Executive retreat closes one of the largest weaknesses for Void Dwellers. And all that extra energy will allow you to basically ...The Hegemon is easily the best Origin in Stellaris, and with good reason. With the Hegemon, you will get 2 AI-powered allies who will do whatever you wish early into your conquest. You should use both of these powerful allies to conquer a minimum of 3 or 4 homeworlds that belong to enemies. Doing so will give you ~ 150 pop, and everybody else ...With the introduction of the new carrying capacity mechanic in Stellaris 3.0 Nemesis, Habitats have received a hidden nerf - growth is very difficult to ge...Not exactly a powergaming meta-build (I always prefer LARP-builds over those), but one I created after reading up on how Void Dwellers play in post-3.0 Stellaris. I also don't own Overlord, Nemesis, Aquatics and Necroids and play with Lithoids and the Caravaneers enabled.Void dweller is actually a good perk for normal empires. Technology ascension is better than void dweller but it’s a very obvious second. Not even remotely close. Voidborne does way more for your tech output than a mere +10% …Aug 27, 2023 · Void Dwellers got a massive boost to their arcane generator, so they start with a large alloy income. And the economy is properly set from day 1 (unike 3.8, where you had a MASSIVE food income for no good reason). And here is the weird stuff... Void dwellers are awfully good at corvette rushing a close nighbor, provided you do that EARLY. oh god this. i'm terrible at the game but one of my favorite origins is void dwellers but as a regular empire instead of a megacorp. it's so much more difficult without branch offices and trade. a void dwellers megacorp is really really powerful with the branch offices boosting economy but getting it going without those is toughI love playing as Void Dwellers, probably too much. However, I took a Stellaris break and basically didn't play for all of 3.5. Now I'm getting back into it and realised I need to revise how I build and specialise my habitats. There's lots of advice on merchant builds for 3.6 out there, but not much on non-trade builds at all. When it comes to ascensions, imo cybernetics and bio seems to be the stronger compared to the others and compared to non VD builds: Cyber can get double traits for trade plus assembly. Bio enjoys the pop growth from lots of clone vats. Synth loses VD trait. Psio needs telepaths on each habitat. Then again psio is already so stupidly overpowered ...Voidborne is great for tech rush, get several research stations up and you're good. Yes you most likely want to be a Xenophile for the migration. You won't run out of space. You make infinitely better use of the space you have than anyone else can lol. Mercantile is also pretty much a must for void dweller.Each of them should have one leisure district to fullfill your amenities and unity production and one housing district. Besides that build only research districts in your main Habitat, only mining in the one that has astro mining and only generator districts in the last one. Use your building slot for alloys and consumer goods.... Void dwellers advantage is virtually unlimited building slots. I don't care about districts because I don't use it for resource production except for CG and ...I love playing as Void Dwellers, probably too much. However, I took a Stellaris break and basically didn't play for all of 3.5. Now I'm getting back into it and realised I need to revise how I build and specialise my habitats. There's lots of advice on merchant builds for 3.6 out there, but not much on non-trade builds at all.Void Dweller Discount Rush - Stellaris Meta Builds Montu Plays 124K subscribers Join Subscribe 3.6K Save 97K views 4 months ago Stellaris Galactic Paragons has reworked leaders, leader...Void Dwellers should use unity instead of influence to build and upgrade habitats Habitats should get the same buff Ring Worlds got to specialization buildings - i.e. since you can't build Orbital Rings, give the inherent bonuses they otherwise can't get Void Dwellers should get +1 building slot on Habitats per size upgrade (+1 for 6 district ... On your starting habitat you start with 3 to 6 (lithoid hive mind) unemployed drones. Now fixed on the internal build. Regular basic resource districts for hive mind give extra jobs (3 instead of 2) - void dweller districts only give the normal 3. I think this should be upped to 4 to stay in line with the normal hive mind stuff.Yes you should build habitats but you don’t need to take void dwellers unless you are voidbourne. Ornery_Gate_6847 • 1 yr. ago. I build science habs or build them over strategic resources, but otherwise don't bother. They cost to …Been planning a space pirate build with Void Dweller letter of marque + criminal syndicate + nihi acqui into egalitarian like I mentioned before for rp and it sounds fun, but I haven’t had good experience with criminal syndicate so idk. Heard people say the AI had stopped focusing on enforcers like they did before tho.Each of them should have one leisure district to fullfill your amenities and unity production and one housing district. Besides that build only research districts in your main Habitat, only mining in the one that has astro mining and only generator districts in the last one. Use your building slot for alloys and consumer goods.As Void Dweller origin when expanding build new Habs before upgrading Habs. Due to the earlier mentioned 1 housing district per resource district mechanic a new Hab provides more jobs per alloy spent than an upgrade. ... And since stellaris is one of those games where early bonuses build overtime, 22 people in the work force immediately ...tempest.of.emptiness Apr 6, 2020 @ 11:50am. It is probably an oversight that you can select the Void Dwellers origin with Federations but not Utopia. I imagine that eventually they will either change the requirement for Void Dwellers to be both Utopia and Federations, or they will keep it the same and allow habitats to be built if you have ...ironsasquash • Ring • 1 yr. ago. Void dwellers have access to the unique trade district which makes trade better than energy for VD, since you can spike super hard in power early game. In Stellaris where snowballing leads to more snowballing, this is incredibly strong. So, thrifty is a must for traits.So,AI’s willingness to trade has increased,Especially for strategic resources and foods. In this case,We can take advantages of void dweller to maximize trade profit and minimize the pops required for specific resources. In early game,You can use food to trade and get ready for snowballing.Pass line: 12 habitats 2230.Synth undoes the void dweller RP thing. I like Bio. I noticed when using xeno-mixing half-breeds can interbreed again AND get another +1 trait. I don't know where this ends. If you got a religious trait you can do sacrificial temples. You put all unwanted pop into one habitat, build the temples there and "sacrifice cough" up to 15 each 5 year.The trade nerf fucks over all empires but makes a trade build in habitats unnecessarily worse compared to a normal empire. All in all I feel like its a decent rework and ill get used to it eventually. I really do think every empire that's non void dweller origin should get huge debuffs on habitats; just like void dwellers get huge debuffs on ... 2 Des 2022 ... Read more about Void Dwellers Expanded 3.5 at Events, Fixes, Galaxy Generation, Gameplay, Leaders, Species on Skymods.The lore behind the Void Dwellers origin is that, in the past, you found refuge in habitats but lost communications, and you start the game shortly after their reunification. Hive-Minded creatures cannot "forget" that two parts of them are in two different habitats scattered across the solar system. Then change the lore obviously.You do not want to build on planet with your void dweller species. They get a huge penalty (I think it was -60% growth or something like that). Use other species or …It gets even more powerful if you're playing something like void dwellers and spamming habitats everywhere, and even as a planet dweller you can still have breeding farm habitats or small planets that you resettle from to wherever you need. This trait just seems like the most powerful option in the game that you'll end up taking every single time.Yes there are huge nerfs to growth etc. But the build is challenging and fun when played as a very tall one. I got quite good and defence and ended up vassalising all those who bullied me at the start of the game. But I want to try something different, so thinking of MegaCorp Void Dwellers, that is sure to be a fun start.12 Sep 2023 ... Stellaris News. Read the latest from the galaxy. release trailer. 2023-09 ... Hive minds can also now start as Void Dwellers*!. * also requires ...Stellaris is pretty vague about exactly what they do, so this is what building a major/minor orbital over deposits does for a TIER 1 HABITAT: TLDR: Orbitals give +3 districts of corresponding deposit. Major gives an extra +0.5 max districts. No deposits give you building slots instead. Max district and building slot scale with habitat tier.The building goals for the Habitats are: capital 1H2I3R + alloy foundry, 2nd habitat 2H2I + foundry (start with one I, then replace the T with I and M with H later on), 3rd habitat 2H2R (start with one R, then replace T with H) you can build an admin office and replace hydroponics with the tech bulding later onLosing the void dweller trait would suck though. While synth ascension as VD feels bad, especially thematically, it arguably is very strong due to how growth works. Habitats cap out on the logistic growth curve extremely easily, while synths ignore that and benefit from lots of individual colonies. You also have a native 20-25% production buff ...Mega-Corp Permanent Employment + Death Cult (its broken now but once fixed this will work), Void Dweller You need 1 planet it will be 0% habitable, you fill it with Soldiers + Clerks, you have 3 habitats building Zombies at 3.2 pop assembly thanks to death cult sacrifice. You produce Alloys everywhere on your habitats and fleet you conquerOct 21, 2022 · The best way to play void dwellers is probably still as a trade build with merchant guilds spamming commercial zones for merchants because merchants generate amenities. But it's still a lot worse than before because of nerfs to trade policies and merchants requiring 2 CG of upkeep now. I've tried to run my true and tested Institute build as Void Dwellers, but there doesn't seem to be a way to build enough alloys for habitats, ships and outposts. My current build is: F.Materialist, Egalitarian, Technocracy, Meritocracy, Intelligent, Traditional and Nonadaptive. By the year 2230 I'm finally building my first habitat and I ...Progenitor hivemind is the strongest build currently. Cordycepts can be pretty fun too, playing around with space fauna. You can also try Void Dweller hivemind, since that was newly introduced (hiveminds weren’t able to take the Void Dweller origin before 3.9). Ocean Paradise hivemind can also be pretty fun, with your huge starting world.Species traits would be part of the build; picked to be the pops of an Inward Perfection build. As far what I want to accomplish, I want to be competitive in a Grand Admiral game. Defensive Pacts, agreements & joining/creating federations are usually what propel me ahead in a grand admiral game with max amount of AIs.415K subscribers in the Stellaris community. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by…What you would you reccomend for a "tall" build - minimal in terms of space and making use of vassals/subsidiaries. I mean origin/civics (traits are for tech obviously) Is there any viable way to play void devellers besides commerce-tech build P.S. i would appreciate any other tall empire build advice, not minmax but maybe with some roleplay ...Stellaris 3.0 Habitats and building slots. TheFloofyAce. Apr 17, 2021. Jump to latest Follow Reply. Any plans to include ways to get all building slots on habitats? A non-Void Dweller empire with Voidborne Ascension perk can only have 7 out of 12 building slots unlocked on a habitat 1 building slot is taken up by Habitat Central Control, this...#1 Warhunter Apr 20, 2021 @ 6:49am for void dwellers i build industrial districts and an alloy building on my capital. You want to rush out to secure chokepoints. From there once you start meeting other empires you want to use envoys to raise relations with your neighbors.The weakness of Void Dwellers is that there is going to be a point in the early game where you have to make the choice between investing alloys into a fleet or into more habitats. The latter option is more powerful and better in the long term, but leaves you weak against early aggression and unable to be aggressive early yourself.Void Dweller Megacorp: Get 6 researchers FAST without crippling your economy. Thread starter aroddo; Start date Oct 7, 2020; Jump to latest Follow Reply ... "Stellaris: Where the Geneva Convention Goes to Die !" Reply. Report. Lykus Cerebros General. 64 Badges. Aug 27, 2020 2.178 3.647. Oct 8, 2020;Didn’t play a clean VD origin, however had a couple of games with expansion closed off by stronger AIs. I had to spam habitats. You need to focus on steady stream of alloys and influence. Build habitats around planets with resources to get extra production. Void Borne ascension perk at the beginning is no brainer. Your void dwellers gets the 15%+ income from all jobs. So they are superior to robots. So make sure to replace your robots with your void dwellers when you can. Other then that having robot servants that give amenities when unemployed can free up build slots (and they take less housing) allowing you to use habitats more efficiently.Hi I love the idea of Origins. Void Dwellers seemed fun. A bit like Stars! Station dweller. But something bugged me. The thre first habitats have all a different district kind + living space, leisure and trade. I built my 4th habitat hoping I could choose which kind of district I'd get. But I get only 3 kind : living space, leisure and trade.Void Dweller Fleet Rush - Stellaris Meta Builds. Montu Plays. 117K subscribers. Join. Subscribe. 1.9K. 81K views 2 years ago. In the grim darkness of the …Stellaris empire builds for 2.8.1. 8. 5. 1. 5. 4. 2. 1. 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1 . Award. Favorite. Favorited. Unfavorite. Share. Created by ... Void Dweller Build. The main feature of this empire is pop growth rate Void dwellers have a big advantage in the beginning having population growth2 Des 2022 ... Read more about Void Dwellers Expanded 3.5 at Events, Fixes, Galaxy Generation, Gameplay, Leaders, Species on Skymods.11 Mei 2023 ... Stellaris Galactic Paragons has reworked leaders, leader traits and more. We are going to use the new leader mechanics to make Void Dwellers ...Synth undoes the void dweller RP thing. I like Bio. I noticed when using xeno-mixing half-breeds can interbreed again AND get another +1 trait. I don't know where this ends. If you got a religious trait you can do sacrificial temples. You put all unwanted pop into one habitat, build the temples there and "sacrifice cough" up to 15 each 5 year.void dweller is in a very bad spot in the recent version. There are no competitive buulds, that can keep up with meta builds. The build that worked best for me in pvp was technocracy+masterful crafters/meritocracy (yes masterful crafters is still very strong even without building slots on habs). Void Dweller Megacorp: Get 6 researchers FAST without crippling your economy. Thread starter aroddo; Start date Oct 7, 2020; Jump to latest Follow Reply ... "Stellaris: Where the Geneva Convention Goes to Die !" Reply. Report. Lykus Cerebros General. 64 Badges. Aug 27, 2020 2.178 3.647. Oct 8, 2020;Species traits would be part of the build; picked to be the pops of an Inward Perfection build. As far what I want to accomplish, I want to be competitive in a Grand Admiral game. Defensive Pacts, agreements & joining/creating federations are usually what propel me ahead in a grand admiral game with max amount of AIs.Once you unlock the building slot through Traditions, you can start robot or bio pop assembly. Space Building. To be really effective as voidborne, you need to grab basic …Research as a Void Dweller is heavy RNG , finding places to build habitats over research district enabling planets is great to super charging early research. Even the 'Gas Giant Radio signal' event is good for this even as much as I HATE that event! And remember ALWAYS reinforce the shield! If the Scrapers are near by even better, I can now buy ... Stellaris Void Dwellers overwhelming build (2.7) By Kodama Do you want one of the strongest population growth in the game with strong tech? Do you want to take most out of potential of Void Dwellers and don't mind leaving your cozy habitats? Then this is the guide for you! 6 2 Award Favorite Share Preface What to expect with this buildFunctional Architecture is a good civic for Void Dwellers. Base-level habitats can support about 13 pops before growth starts slowing down; that's about 2 housing districts, 2 resource districts, your capital building, and a couple other jobs. Once you can upgrade your habitats, you can transition all the housing to Luxury Housing buildings and ...Optimal habitat builds for Void Dwellers. I made habitat builds for void dwellers made with maximum pop growth in mind. Every type of habitat has 4.5 pop growth (except refinery stations, but they are very close), clone vats and gene clinics. I know that many people are sceptical about gene clinics, but not only do they increase our pop growth ...Sep 29, 2021 · Synth undoes the void dweller RP thing. I like Bio. I noticed when using xeno-mixing half-breeds can interbreed again AND get another +1 trait. I don't know where this ends. If you got a religious trait you can do sacrificial temples. You put all unwanted pop into one habitat, build the temples there and "sacrifice cough" up to 15 each 5 year. I did Void Dweller megacorp with permanent employment and it was a blast. I went spiritualist and pumped out a shitload of unity to counteract the empire sprawl. I won by forming a trade federation and becoming its permanent leader by virtue of economic strength. also became sole member on the galactic "council", but didn't realize until after ...
Perhaps hangar options, particularily bow and stern to make a supercarrier. Change specific to void dweller without utopia (unless it works this way, cannot remember the trait) is to tweak their void trait so just the one penalty (no red one) but instead, they have a flat habitation penalty of say 50 to all planets meaning can colonize, but all .... Bxm7 schedule pdf
Stellaris 3.0 Habitats and building slots. TheFloofyAce. Apr 17, 2021. Jump to latest Follow Reply. Any plans to include ways to get all building slots on habitats? A non-Void Dweller empire with Voidborne Ascension perk can only have 7 out of 12 building slots unlocked on a habitat 1 building slot is taken up by Habitat Central Control, this...Just assume that whatever space-magic makes Gaia Worlds perfect for all types of regular-planet dwellers, Void Dwellers are allergic to that. Or, maybe Void Dwellers are dependent on alloys in some way, such that they're only comfortable if their living space is mostly surrounded by a lot of allows. Some kind of special magnetic sense.Void Dwellers takes an interesting approach to the usual planet-bound origins, putting your species distributed across three orbital habitats at the start, instead …With the "Void Dwellers" Origin, your empire will embrace the life on spaceborne Habitats, and all but abandon planetary lifestyle. You will start with 3 Habitats, the technology to build more and a...Each of them should have one leisure district to fullfill your amenities and unity production and one housing district. Besides that build only research districts in your main Habitat, only mining in the one that has astro mining and only generator districts in the last one. Use your building slot for alloys and consumer goods.Note: this mod provides its own habitat start separate from Federations' Void Dwellers since Stellaris 2.5.1. This legacy habitat start does not require Federations DLC. Formerly known as OE's Habitat start. Use of Void Dwellers or Starborn origin with Children of the Void civic is preferable, though. High compatibility #1. Warhunter Apr 20, 2021 @ 6:49am. for void dwellers i build industrial districts and an alloy building on my capital. You want to rush out to secure chokepoints. From there …Void dweller origin, because after all, divinity is found among the stars. Traits to taste, though Thrifty is great on any Megacorp and I would also recommend Rapid Breeders; as a void dweller you have a growth penalty and as a spiritualist you can't really work with robots. So grab all the pop growth you can get. Game plan:Not exactly a powergaming meta-build (I always prefer LARP-builds over those), but one I created after reading up on how Void Dwellers play in post-3.0 Stellaris. I also don't own Overlord, Nemesis, Aquatics and Necroids and play with Lithoids and the Caravaneers enabled.Apr 1, 2020 · This page was last edited on 1 April 2020, at 18:27. Content is available under Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 unless otherwise noted.; About Stellaris Wiki; Mobile view Apr 20, 2021 · Personally i find Void Dwelling Mega Corps to be superb and ALOT of fun. Yeah, it’s the not the only way to play void dwellers, though it’s the “optimal” build. I’ve done void dweller megacorp playthroughs and pure fanatic militarist builds. While they have a less fragile start, they just don’t compete with the tech rush late game. Void born can live there easily. Void dweller trait give you -15% output on planet and and -30% happines on planet so ecumenopolis is not so good when you play vorid dweller. "build more habs" is not really an answer to the implied question "I'm consistently short on alloys and influence to build habs.This doubles with influence. Voiddweller megacorp is the hungriest influence build in the game, and authoritarian is now the solution with faction influence gone. It may not seem like much, but it does add up, and you do need it. For the federation, Merchant Federation is the federation for a MegaCorp overlord.So changes in 3.3 made progression slower, and some changes hit trade build more. Ruler jobs have 2CG job upkeep (Includes Merchant of course)Merchant give 3 amenity, down from 5Merchant Guild civic doesn't have unity bonusUnity from Marketplace of Ideas policy is halved (0.125 unity per TV) Can't believe the sweepingly nerfed trade builds ...This page was last edited on 1 April 2020, at 18:27. Content is available under Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 unless otherwise noted.; About Stellaris Wiki; Mobile viewMay 27, 2020 · trade focus is amazing for void-dwelling empires. corporate or merchant guilds/ fanatic zenophile, thrifty. etc. if done right you can get around 50% trade value bonus from the start. if you can get into a trade league things get insane quickly,since trade habitat spam is the easiest way to produce ludicrous amounts of energy with no deposit. Apr 12, 2020 · Void dwellers start build/action order. permeakra. Apr 12, 2020. Jump to latest Follow Reply. So, I'm conflicted. On one hand, Void Dwellers start with three habitats. This is potentially powerful as they have +9 pop growth from day one. On another hand, they are not meant to colonize planets with main pops, so their colonization spree is... I wanted to start making videos and guides for more than a year... and finally, I've done it!In this video, I want to share my experience and approach on how...If your starting trinary has 3 energy producing planets you can build Habitats over (which isn't uncommon tbh), you can net 200+ energy each in profit including upkeeps, which is the same as around 36 energy districts on planets ignoring +15% void bonus which no dirt dweller can even joke about achieving aside from Hive Minds on a Ring world..
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